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	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Does Not Compute by Gentleman Friend</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/does-not-compute/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentleman Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that caused a brainsplosion on my end when I heard it, too.  Isn't that the point of the legislation in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that caused a brainsplosion on my end when I heard it, too.  Isn&#8217;t that the point of the legislation in the first place?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Whatever Bikes Your&#8230;Velocipede by virescent</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/whatever-bikes-yourbike/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>virescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but I'm under the impression that "biker" is used to make bicycle riding sound cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but I&#8217;m under the impression that &#8220;biker&#8221; is used to make bicycle riding sound cooler.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Whatever Bikes Your&#8230;Velocipede by Gentleman Friend</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/whatever-bikes-yourbike/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentleman Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, "biker" implies a motorcyclist stereotype; leather-clad, innapropriately hairy, tattooed, etc.  "Cyclist" applies to "those who ride bicycles".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, &#8220;biker&#8221; implies a motorcyclist stereotype; leather-clad, innapropriately hairy, tattooed, etc.  &#8220;Cyclist&#8221; applies to &#8220;those who ride bicycles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Friday Is Bike To Work Day by virescent</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/friday-is-bike-to-work-day/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>virescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope it's a great day!  

I've actually never used a carbon calculator to estimate my footprint.  Partly because I don't want to link what I do to become more sustainable to just lowering carbon outputs, but also because I really don't have any way of know my impact for lots of things- since I never got power or water bills in my last apartment, I couldn't guess at that, and now I live with other people, so it's still hard to determine what amount of energy I'm using.  I liked the "Consumer Consequences"  (http://sustainability.publicradio.org/consumerconsequences/) survey at NPR- it measures the number of earths it would take to support humans, if everyone lived the way you live.  I was at 4 earths, now I'm at 2.5- and I suspect that, just by living in America, I'm going to be above 1.  Check it out, does it make you feel guilty?  It does for me, but I'm getting used to that feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope it&#8217;s a great day!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually never used a carbon calculator to estimate my footprint.  Partly because I don&#8217;t want to link what I do to become more sustainable to just lowering carbon outputs, but also because I really don&#8217;t have any way of know my impact for lots of things- since I never got power or water bills in my last apartment, I couldn&#8217;t guess at that, and now I live with other people, so it&#8217;s still hard to determine what amount of energy I&#8217;m using.  I liked the &#8220;Consumer Consequences&#8221;  (http://sustainability.publicradio.org/consumerconsequences/) survey at NPR- it measures the number of earths it would take to support humans, if everyone lived the way you live.  I was at 4 earths, now I&#8217;m at 2.5- and I suspect that, just by living in America, I&#8217;m going to be above 1.  Check it out, does it make you feel guilty?  It does for me, but I&#8217;m getting used to that feeling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Friday Is Bike To Work Day by Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!  I love riding my bike, and can't wait to get out there on Friday to show my support!  I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting.  There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com.  I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/).  I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it).  Are there any others you would recommend?  Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  I love riding my bike, and can&#8217;t wait to get out there on Friday to show my support!  I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting.  There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com.  I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/).  I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it).  Are there any others you would recommend?  Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waitakere: Eco City Preview by virescent</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/waitakere-eco-city-preview/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>virescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  *glumly*.  They had a plate of half-muffins, but it's hard to replace sugar-crusted spinkle wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  *glumly*.  They had a plate of half-muffins, but it&#8217;s hard to replace sugar-crusted spinkle wishes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post-Exam Thrift by millie</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/post-exam-thrift/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>millie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice collection of colors and patterns!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Waitakere: Eco City Preview by Biking Person</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/waitakere-eco-city-preview/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>Biking Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did they have donuts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did they have donuts?</p>
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		<title>Comment on More On Meat by virescent</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/more-on-meat/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>virescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walkingwater- sounds like a great operation you all have there.  What's it called?  Where do you all distribute your meats?

dcf- Thanks for the ideas, I'll check out the farm, and the restaurant.  The summit was very enjoyable!  More on that after I get through my exam this evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walkingwater- sounds like a great operation you all have there.  What&#8217;s it called?  Where do you all distribute your meats?</p>
<p>dcf- Thanks for the ideas, I&#8217;ll check out the farm, and the restaurant.  The summit was very enjoyable!  More on that after I get through my exam this evening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More On Meat by dcf</title>
		<link>http://virescent.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/more-on-meat/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>dcf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out polyface farms near charlottesville.  They have a buying club in the DC Metro Area.  It's a closed-loop waste system where the animals are all eating what they were designed to be eating.  Cows eat grass, chickens eat bugs, pigs forage in the woods.  Restaurant Eve gets its meat from them (as do i, when i can).  You can really taste the difference.  (Okay, I'll admit that nothing comes close to the deliciousness of the best Nebraska corn-fed beef, but I can't take the mental cost of it anymore and frankly, Polyface's products are pretty close on the beef side and the best on the chicken side).

As for human management of cows...take a look at EPA's Concentrated Animal Feedlot Operations (CAFO) settlement.  http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/agreements/caa/cafo-agr-qa.html
As you'll see, farms with air emissions controls (especially cow farms, where the animals are not in enclosed barns) are basically nonexistent.  I mean, in theory, sure you COULD put them all in a barn and then try to capture the methane and send it somewhere to be burned for fuel.  Although one has to wonder whether the animals might not get sick from being in such an environment (mental well-being aside), which gets back to more antibiotics, etc. to keep them alive.  Ask anyone who lives downwind from a CAFO how it smells.  Further, many of the species raised in CAFOs are not designed to be eating grain and so produce more gases than they would naturally.  Then there's the waste aspect.  Right now, farmers just pile it up somewhere and let mother nature disperse of it (largely).  This is how we got pfisteria in the Potomac and kids died of e. coli in North Carolina (from pig manure and then massive flooding).  There is carbon that would go in treating that waste, if one were to actually do so in a responsible manner.  The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan (the sustainable eating book of 2007) paints a very lovely picture of the scene, and he and the owner of Polyface make a pretty compelling case about the energy value of naturally-raised animals vs. being vegetarian.  Plus, the final carbon footprint of a CAFO-raised animal needs to take into account the resources and greenhouse gases that went into raising the grain used to feed those animals.

I don't know the answer.  In the end, it's that we all need to eat less meat.

Cool blog.  Hope you enjoyed the summit.  The City/EPC/VA Tech worked very hard to make it happen and are so excited to know that folks like you decided to drag yourselves out of bed to get involved.  Keep it coming - we'll need you going forward!

cheers,
danielle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out polyface farms near charlottesville.  They have a buying club in the DC Metro Area.  It&#8217;s a closed-loop waste system where the animals are all eating what they were designed to be eating.  Cows eat grass, chickens eat bugs, pigs forage in the woods.  Restaurant Eve gets its meat from them (as do i, when i can).  You can really taste the difference.  (Okay, I&#8217;ll admit that nothing comes close to the deliciousness of the best Nebraska corn-fed beef, but I can&#8217;t take the mental cost of it anymore and frankly, Polyface&#8217;s products are pretty close on the beef side and the best on the chicken side).</p>
<p>As for human management of cows&#8230;take a look at EPA&#8217;s Concentrated Animal Feedlot Operations (CAFO) settlement.  <a href="http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/agreements/caa/cafo-agr-qa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/agreements/caa/cafo-agr-qa.html</a><br />
As you&#8217;ll see, farms with air emissions controls (especially cow farms, where the animals are not in enclosed barns) are basically nonexistent.  I mean, in theory, sure you COULD put them all in a barn and then try to capture the methane and send it somewhere to be burned for fuel.  Although one has to wonder whether the animals might not get sick from being in such an environment (mental well-being aside), which gets back to more antibiotics, etc. to keep them alive.  Ask anyone who lives downwind from a CAFO how it smells.  Further, many of the species raised in CAFOs are not designed to be eating grain and so produce more gases than they would naturally.  Then there&#8217;s the waste aspect.  Right now, farmers just pile it up somewhere and let mother nature disperse of it (largely).  This is how we got pfisteria in the Potomac and kids died of e. coli in North Carolina (from pig manure and then massive flooding).  There is carbon that would go in treating that waste, if one were to actually do so in a responsible manner.  The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma by Michael Pollan (the sustainable eating book of 2007) paints a very lovely picture of the scene, and he and the owner of Polyface make a pretty compelling case about the energy value of naturally-raised animals vs. being vegetarian.  Plus, the final carbon footprint of a CAFO-raised animal needs to take into account the resources and greenhouse gases that went into raising the grain used to feed those animals.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer.  In the end, it&#8217;s that we all need to eat less meat.</p>
<p>Cool blog.  Hope you enjoyed the summit.  The City/EPC/VA Tech worked very hard to make it happen and are so excited to know that folks like you decided to drag yourselves out of bed to get involved.  Keep it coming - we&#8217;ll need you going forward!</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
danielle</p>
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